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Bug 393195 - Eclipse project Kepler plan update
Summary: Eclipse project Kepler plan update
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: Platform
Classification: Eclipse Project
Component: PMC (show other bugs)
Version: 4.3   Edit
Hardware: PC Windows 7
: P3 normal (vote)
Target Milestone: 4.3 M3   Edit
Assignee: John Arthorne CLA
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Reported: 2012-10-30 16:14 EDT by John Arthorne CLA
Modified: 2012-11-05 06:25 EST (History)
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Description John Arthorne CLA 2012-10-30 16:14:51 EDT
I am preparing an update to the Eclipse project Kepler plan. Draft can be seen here:

http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?planurl=http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/plans/eclipse_project_plan_4_3_DRAFT.xml

Notable changes:

- All plan items except Java 8 are new
- Upgraded reference Java versions to latest
- Removed Windows XP
- Moved Mac from 10.6 to 10.8, and from Apple Java to Oracle Java.
- Switched to ISO 8601 date format
Comment 1 Dani Megert CLA 2012-10-31 06:48:29 EDT
Looks good to me.
Comment 2 John Arthorne CLA 2012-10-31 16:13:06 EDT
Pushed a few updates to the draft:

 - Clarify Windows 8 excludes Windows  RT on ARM
 - HP-UX is switching to 64-bit only from 32-bit only
 - Added plan item to support new UIA accessibility API on Windows
 - Corrected a mistake pointed out by Silenio, that we were listing "64-bit Universal" on Mac, but there is no such thing. PPC was 32-bit only, so the 64-bit mac is x86 only.
Comment 3 Alexander Kurtakov CLA 2012-11-01 07:13:12 EDT
It would be good to have OpenJDK as supported JVM on RHEL 6.x as this is the default JVM that comes with RHEL.
Comment 4 John Arthorne CLA 2012-11-01 09:29:27 EDT
Alex, I assume you guys are doing a fair amount of testing/usage on OpenJDK/RHEL? We would need to at least make sure someone is doing regular testing of our latest milestones on OpenJDK for it to be added as a reference.
Comment 5 Andrew Overholt CLA 2012-11-01 09:40:16 EDT
I didn't bring up OpenJDK/RHEL 6 in the PMC discussion about this since I didn't know if it would a) add more burden to testing and/or b) make much of a difference to those users to have it "officially" supported.  If Alex thinks it's a good idea, I know they're doing lots of testing so I guess it can't hurt and would show some alignment with the OpenJDK community (note:  I purposefully avoided using the word "synergy" there).
Comment 6 Alexander Kurtakov CLA 2012-11-01 10:50:31 EDT
(In reply to comment #4)
> Alex, I assume you guys are doing a fair amount of testing/usage on
> OpenJDK/RHEL? We would need to at least make sure someone is doing regular
> testing of our latest milestones on OpenJDK for it to be added as a
> reference.

Builds and testing on RHEL is something our group does. Eclipse (3.6) is part of RHEL 6.x running on OpenJDK as such it's supported through the usual RHEL channels which shows our confidence.
Additionally, all development,testing and etc. coming from our group happens on OpenJDK only. I admit new development happens on Fedora but there are practically no differences in OpenJDK and we are willing to work on fixing problems related to running in OpenJDK if such occurs.
Comment 7 Alexander Kurtakov CLA 2012-11-01 10:57:03 EDT
(In reply to comment #5)
> I didn't bring up OpenJDK/RHEL 6 in the PMC discussion about this since I
> didn't know if it would a) add more burden to testing and/or b) make much of
> a difference to those users to have it "officially" supported.  If Alex
> thinks it's a good idea, I know they're doing lots of testing so I guess it
> can't hurt and would show some alignment with the OpenJDK community (note: 
> I purposefully avoided using the word "synergy" there).

It might not matter much for those users but there are 2  points that bother me with not having OpenJDK supported:
* the message spread is "Eclipse is not supported on the default system JVM on RHEL"
* a FOSS IDE is not supported on any FOSS JVM

Both of these are entirely untrue or at least I have yet to find cases where Eclipse has a problem with OpenJDK on RHEL that is not reproducible on Oracle JVM.
Comment 8 John Arthorne CLA 2012-11-01 11:07:16 EDT
Based on this I am fine with adding OpenJDK as a reference platform for RHEL. Do you have an exact version/update number you can recommend?
Comment 9 John Arthorne CLA 2012-11-01 11:11:08 EDT
(In reply to comment #5)
> I know they're doing lots of testing so I guess it
> can't hurt and would show some alignment with the OpenJDK community (note: 
> I purposefully avoided using the word "synergy" there).

Oh come on, there are plenty of opportunities here to build synergy between our eco-systems and leverage our collective value propositions to establish win-win solutions for our communities. ;)
Comment 10 Alexander Kurtakov CLA 2012-11-01 15:16:21 EDT
(In reply to comment #8)
> Based on this I am fine with adding OpenJDK as a reference platform for
> RHEL. Do you have an exact version/update number you can recommend?

 OpenJDK7 u9 (IcedTea7-OpenJDK 2.3.3)
 OpenJDK6 b24 (IcedTea6 1.11.5) 
for x86 and x86_64 only.
Comment 12 Dani Megert CLA 2012-11-05 05:31:20 EST
(In reply to comment #11)
> Plan update committed:
> 
> http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?planurl=http://www.eclipse.
> org/eclipse/development/plans/eclipse_project_plan_4_3.xml

John, the OpenJDK entry should get the green "new" icon.
Comment 13 Dani Megert CLA 2012-11-05 06:25:22 EST
(In reply to comment #12)
> (In reply to comment #11)
> > Plan update committed:
> > 
> > http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?planurl=http://www.eclipse.
> > org/eclipse/development/plans/eclipse_project_plan_4_3.xml
> 
> John, the OpenJDK entry should get the green "new" icon.

I've done it.