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Bug 348612 - Forums index has confusing/incorrect grouping
Summary: Forums index has confusing/incorrect grouping
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: Community
Classification: Eclipse Foundation
Component: Forums and Newsgroups (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified   Edit
Hardware: PC Windows XP
: P3 normal (vote)
Target Milestone: ---   Edit
Assignee: Forums and Newsgroups inbox CLA
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Reported: 2011-06-07 13:30 EDT by Ed Merks CLA
Modified: 2014-09-04 15:53 EDT (History)
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Description Ed Merks CLA 2011-06-07 13:30:02 EDT
I noticed that Papyrus, like EMF itself, isn't listed under modeling in the index at http://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/.  I assume that's because of the naming convention we've used (where the name itself doesn't indicate it's a modeling forum) isn't explicit.  This makes the grouping kind of meaningless and confusing (given the latest naming convention doesn't make that explicit).  

Probably we should eliminate the grouping entirely or we should get the grouping information from the portal metadata...
Comment 1 Eike Stepper CLA 2011-06-07 13:53:01 EDT
(In reply to comment #0)
> [...] get the grouping information from the portal metadata...

+1
Comment 2 Denis Roy CLA 2011-06-07 14:03:13 EDT
.. or we can just move it manually and avoid another script which will eventually break?
Comment 3 Ed Merks CLA 2011-06-07 14:16:34 EDT
Note that Papyrus and EMF are just two examples of many dozens of miscatagorized modeling projects.  Do I need to compile that explicit list?  That solves the modeling project ones but leaves other projects still badly categorized.  

Will we need to review this manual every time a new project is created?

Also, I'm not sure how the description of the EMF newsgroup ends up being like this:

  Come here to participate in discussions about development with or of CDO.

Can I change that somewhere.  It's not just the CDO newsgroup, though it sometimes seems that way. :-P
Comment 4 Eric Rizzo CLA 2011-06-07 14:48:41 EDT
(In reply to comment #3)
> Note that Papyrus and EMF are just two examples of many dozens of
> miscatagorized modeling projects.  Do I need to compile that explicit list? 

If you do, I'll be happy to move them into the Modeling category. It's a manual process, but a simple and quick one.


> That solves the modeling project ones but leaves other projects still badly
> categorized.  
> 
> Will we need to review this manual every time a new project is created?

Whenever a forum/newsgroup is created, it should be categorized properly. I'd say that an overall review of the categories would be prudent once every couple of years to make sure we don't need to re-organize. I don't know what information Denis gets currently when a new forum/newsgroup is requested - Category should probably be among that data, though.

I've wanted to suggest some more/better categories for the forums for a while now, but haven't found the time to go through the effort. If you have suggestions, I'd be willing to participate in a discussion and even help implement the result.
Comment 5 Eric Rizzo CLA 2011-06-07 14:50:32 EDT
I'm going to start with a new category named "Archived" and move forums for projects that are officially archived into there.
Comment 6 Ed Merks CLA 2011-06-07 15:20:10 EDT
These ones need to be moved to modeling:

AM3
AMW
B3
BPEL Designer
BPMN Modeler
Epsilon
eTrice
Extended Editing Framework (READ ONLY)
Faceted Project Framework
MoDisco
MOFScript
Presentation Modeling Framework (PMF)
Sphinx
Textual Concrete Syntax (TCS)
UMLX
VIATRA2

What about the poor description for the EMF newsgroup?  Where does that come from?
Comment 7 Eric Rizzo CLA 2011-06-07 15:26:36 EDT
Looks like the Modeling category should have some sub-categories. Ed, can you provide a list of sub-categories and which forums should go into each of them?

As for the description, I think it comes from project metadata but I'm not 100% certain. Denis?
Comment 8 Eike Stepper CLA 2011-06-07 16:40:11 EDT
(In reply to comment #6)
> What about the poor description for the EMF newsgroup?  Where does that come
> from?

That's from me. I tried to mimic all the other components that added their own forum entry but pointed to their project's newsgroup. Note that the project homepage link points to CDO's homepage. I have no clue why this entry is labeled EMF and not CDO ;-(
Comment 9 Eric Rizzo CLA 2011-06-07 17:18:52 EDT
(In reply to comment #8)
> (In reply to comment #6)
> > What about the poor description for the EMF newsgroup?  Where does that come
> > from?
> 
> That's from me. I tried to mimic all the other components that added their own
> forum entry but pointed to their project's newsgroup. Note that the project
> homepage link points to CDO's homepage. I have no clue why this entry is
> labeled EMF and not CDO ;-(

That forum group is linked to the newsgroup eclipse.tools.emf
I don't know of any newsgroup that is CDO-specific; is there one?
Comment 10 Ed Merks CLA 2011-06-07 17:37:39 EDT
No, CDO uses the EMF newsgroup.  It doesn't have its own.
Comment 11 Eike Stepper CLA 2011-06-08 02:45:06 EDT
(In reply to comment #9)
> That forum group is linked to the newsgroup eclipse.tools.emf
> I don't know of any newsgroup that is CDO-specific; is there one?

CDO does not have its own newsgroup but, as I already said, I was inspired by the separate forum entries of, let's say, Compare (should probably be EMF Compare and point to eclipse.tools.emf, not eclipse.modeling.emf) and EcoreTools (should probably point to eclipse.technology.emft, not eclipse.modeling.emft).
Comment 12 Eric Rizzo CLA 2011-06-08 11:47:30 EDT
I've moved all the forums from Comment 6 into the Modeling category. That category now has almost 40 forums, so it really needs another level of organization. Someone please provide some grouping info (see Comment 7).
Comment 13 Eclipse Genie CLA 2014-06-08 00:16:20 EDT
This bug hasn't had any activity in quite some time. Maybe the problem got resolved, was a duplicate of something else, or became less pressing for some reason - or maybe it's still relevant but just hasn't been looked at yet.

If you have further information on the current state of the bug, please add it. The information can be, for example, that the problem still occurs, that you still want the feature, that more information is needed, or that the bug is (for whatever reason) no longer relevant.

--
The automated Eclipse Genie.
Comment 14 Denis Roy CLA 2014-09-04 15:24:22 EDT
I'll close this as FIXED.  We have >200 projects, and making for forums front page make any sense will be impossible.
Comment 15 Eric Rizzo CLA 2014-09-04 15:51:42 EDT
(In reply to Denis Roy from comment #14)
> I'll close this as FIXED.  We have >200 projects, and making for forums
> front page make any sense will be impossible.

I'm going to take a swipe at it, see Bug 443144
Comment 16 Denis Roy CLA 2014-09-04 15:53:42 EDT
I suspected they were related.  Thanks for taking it on.

Great things lie ahead for me. I can feel it.