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Bug 129944 - [mirrors] Playboy mirrors causes grief for some
Summary: [mirrors] Playboy mirrors causes grief for some
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: Community
Classification: Eclipse Foundation
Component: Website (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified   Edit
Hardware: All All
: P3 normal (vote)
Target Milestone: ---   Edit
Assignee: phoenix.ui CLA
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Reported: 2006-03-01 09:25 EST by Eclipse Webmaster CLA
Modified: 2006-03-23 16:37 EST (History)
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Description Eclipse Webmaster CLA 2006-03-01 09:25:29 EST
This is the second e-mail I get regarding our Playboy Entreprises, Inc. mirror server. In some cases, networks filter the URL containing "playboy", in some other cases, users are flagged as pornography surfers because a page contains a link to mirrors.playboy.com, and in this case, interesting points are raised.

I think it would be unfortunate to have to discontinue using a perfectly good mirror site; however, under the circumstances, is it worth it?



Hi,
  I notice you have playboy as a mirror for 
the eclipse project. 
  Playboy is usually among web addresses whose
access can get an employee fired in many 
organizations. And since your mirrors may get
decided automatically, a person may attempt to
download software from your organization and 
inadvertently end up in playboy. 
  In such a situation, your organization may be
held responsible for the consequences to the 
employee. 

  This is just for your information, of course.
I am not a legal person, but I am a user of the
eclipse project and believe it is a very good
project and would hate to see it affected by 
such possible litigation.
Comment 1 Geoff Longman CLA 2006-03-01 14:19:07 EST
Not worth the (wasted) effort to try and explain this to upper management.

Although I appreciate the gesture playboys has made I think eclipse.org should drop the link.

Comment 2 Kim Moir CLA 2006-03-01 14:35:48 EST
+1. Drop playboy and get another mirror.  I winced when playboy became an eclipse mirror...it seemed so tacky. Irregardless of their bandwidth donation to open source, playboy causes legal problems for people behind corporate firewalls. The corporation is also not a role model for the depiction of women as intelligent equals in society either :-)
Comment 3 Dominik Goepel CLA 2006-03-01 15:37:42 EST
i would not remove the mirror
suggestions:
-ask playboy if they can offer a different url 
-don't use the mirror in automatic download processes but only if the user actively chooses this mirror

anyways the whole issue sounds a bit strange. 
-firewall restrictions may affect any mirror and the user will simply try a different mirror
-getting flagged for porn surfing is resolved by a simple check to see what has been downloaded, and maybe someone in that company finally starts using a brain and removes such stupid flagging rules
Comment 4 Eclipse Webmaster CLA 2006-03-01 16:59:29 EST
(In reply to comment #3)
> i would not remove the mirror
> suggestions:
> -ask playboy if they can offer a different url 

Hey that's easy... try http://mirror.plby.eclipse.org

Problem solved, right?  We take their generous bandwidth without being tacky and offensive!

D.
Comment 5 Billy Biggs CLA 2006-03-01 22:18:14 EST
+1 to drop it.  Why not?  Is the bandwidth really needed (enough to justify even this discussion)?  plby seems so pr0n (even more tacky).
Comment 6 Dave Orme CLA 2006-03-02 14:27:13 EST
+1 for dropping the Playboy mirror.  Kim and Billy summarize how I feel so there's no need for me to repeat.
Comment 7 Dave Orme CLA 2006-03-02 14:41:01 EST
In addition to what I wrote above and at the risk of offending someone...

My best friend from college got sucked into Internet porn.  That was five years ago.

This winter he was just released from jail--he had gotten so addicted that he became a pedophile.  He has become someone very different from the person I knew in college.

While obviously not everyone who gets involved in porn winds up a pedophile, I am very concerned about the social implications of an organization like Eclipse becoming associated with Internet pornography.
Comment 8 Eclipse Webmaster CLA 2006-03-02 18:50:52 EST
I've pulled the mirror from the list.  Thanks for all your feedback.

D.
Comment 9 Nick Boldt CLA 2006-03-23 16:37:42 EST
Couldn't they just use one of their other domains, like pbenterprises.com or some such?