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Bug 551216

Summary: Remove terminated working groups from Working Groups "Explore" page
Product: Community Reporter: Wayne Beaton <wayne.beaton>
Component: WebsiteAssignee: phoenix.ui <phoenix.ui-inbox>
Status: RESOLVED FIXED QA Contact:
Severity: normal    
Priority: P3 CC: chris.guindon, eric.poirier, gael.blondelle, paul.buck, Paul.White, sharon.corbett
Version: unspecified   
Target Milestone: ---   
Hardware: PC   
OS: Linux   
URL: https://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/explore.php
See Also: https://git.eclipse.org/r/150496
https://git.eclipse.org/c/www.eclipse.org/org.git/commit/?id=aedadd15e213c94dc90eb0831758df8e322df71b
Whiteboard:

Description Wayne Beaton CLA 2019-09-18 13:53:28 EDT
Paul, Paul, and Gael, can I get a +1 on all of this (or feedback if something here misses the mark) before we ask Chris to do the work?

The Capella and OS.bea working groups have been shut down and so should be removed from the "explore" page [1]

Rather than remove them outright, I believe that it would be valuable to keep some reference to them. Can we maybe make a bullet list at the bottom of the page that lists "Terminated Working Groups"? I'm thinking that we can have the entry link to the corresponding charter.

We should keep the charters around for posterity. The charters will also need to be updated to indicate that they are archived. Specifically, the Eclipse Capella Industry Consortium Charter [2] and Eclipse OS.bea Working Group Charter [3] need to be marked. We need to make it as clear as possible that these charters are no longer active.

Minimally, we need the word "ARCHIVED" in the title. Can we add a background tiled "ARCHIVED" image or something as well? It might be enough to just mark the pages as outdated (which puts a big red box at the top of the page that states "This page is deprecated and may contain some information that is no longer relevant or accurate.").

The Working Group Participation Agreement for OS.bea needs to be removed from the site.


[1] https://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/explore.php
[2] https://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/capellaic_charter.php
[3] https://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/osbea_wg_charter.php
[4] https://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/wpga/eclipse_osbea_working_group_participation_agreement.pdf
Comment 1 Sharon Corbett CLA 2019-09-22 18:39:03 EDT
Folks:

As the Project Manager for Working Groups generally, Chris is waiting to hear from me on several other adjustments.

+1's are welcomed for sure but I'd like to work with Chris's team to get everything adjusted at the one time.  I know he is waiting to hear from me based on Paul White's email back in August.

I'm fairly close to getting up to speed generally and when I'm more in line (very soon), I'd like to work with Chris generally to streamline outstanding tasks.

Hope this makes sense!  

Thanks,
Sharon
Comment 2 Christopher Guindon CLA 2019-09-23 09:44:37 EDT
(In reply to Sharon Corbett from comment #1)
> Folks:
> 
> As the Project Manager for Working Groups generally, Chris is waiting to
> hear from me on several other adjustments.
> 
> +1's are welcomed for sure but I'd like to work with Chris's team to get
> everything adjusted at the one time.  I know he is waiting to hear from me
> based on Paul White's email back in August.
> 
> I'm fairly close to getting up to speed generally and when I'm more in line
> (very soon), I'd like to work with Chris generally to streamline outstanding
> tasks.


+1 I think your proposal is the most efficient way to tackle this!
Comment 3 Paul White CLA 2019-09-24 14:35:46 EDT
So I agree terminated working groups should be removed from the list of WGs that are active or in incubation.  

I'm not sure we want to or need to leave terminated ones on the page, or at least for any particularly long period of time.  e.g., I don't find that we have missed anything by not having PolarSys listed as a terminated working group.  

The suggestion to archive the charters of terminated working groups is likely useful, but I'm not sure where to put them or for how long.  Putting them at the bottom might be convenient, but then remove them after 6 months or a year. 

Apologies for being wishy-washy - I just don't think we need to be as hard on preserving working groups as we are with projects.  Happy to be corrected on this though, as I may be missing key use cases.  

One question - we have copyright to the logos/word marks on behalf of these communities.  What, if anything, do we have to do in this regard?  (I believe nothing, but just want to confirm).  

PaulW
Comment 4 Sharon Corbett CLA 2019-09-25 13:36:57 EDT
@Chris:

Paul W, Paul B and Wayne and I discussed this on a call yesterday.  Everyone agreed the Capella and OS.bea working groups have been shut down and so should be removed from the "explore" page sooner rather than later as it truly is stale data.  Everyone prefers to push this change forward rather than waiting for the other items I need to review for the W/Gs.

Perhaps Wayne and I can have a quick call with you within the next day or so (happy to arrange) to discuss.  Perhaps breaking this down into immediate and longer term would be the best approach for the moment?

Thanks,
Sharon
Comment 5 Sharon Corbett CLA 2019-09-30 15:15:01 EDT
@Chris:

As per our hangout today; let's deal with this in two stages.

Let's remove Capella and OS.bea from the explore page and archive them.  When we determine if we want to have Non Active WG's visible on the website, you can revert them to that space on the website.

Thanks,
Sharon
Comment 6 Christopher Guindon CLA 2019-09-30 15:21:21 EDT
(In reply to Sharon Corbett from comment #5)
> @Chris:
> 
> As per our hangout today; let's deal with this in two stages.
> 
> Let's remove Capella and OS.bea from the explore page and archive them. 
> When we determine if we want to have Non Active WG's visible on the website,
> you can revert them to that space on the website.
> 
> Thanks,
> Sharon

@Sharon,

To clarify, we agreed to delete those pages from the website and if we choose to bring these pages back on the website, we will retrieve them from git history?
Comment 7 Sharon Corbett CLA 2019-09-30 15:36:00 EDT
(In reply to Christopher Guindon from comment #6)
> (In reply to Sharon Corbett from comment #5)
> > @Chris:
> > 
> > As per our hangout today; let's deal with this in two stages.
> > 
> > Let's remove Capella and OS.bea from the explore page and archive them. 
> > When we determine if we want to have Non Active WG's visible on the website,
> > you can revert them to that space on the website.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Sharon
> 
> @Sharon,
> 
> To clarify, we agreed to delete those pages from the website and if we
> choose to bring these pages back on the website, we will retrieve them from
> git history?

Hi Chris:

Yes that works for Wayne and I!

Thanks,
Sharon
Comment 8 Sharon Corbett CLA 2019-09-30 15:36:14 EDT
(In reply to Christopher Guindon from comment #6)
> (In reply to Sharon Corbett from comment #5)
> > @Chris:
> > 
> > As per our hangout today; let's deal with this in two stages.
> > 
> > Let's remove Capella and OS.bea from the explore page and archive them. 
> > When we determine if we want to have Non Active WG's visible on the website,
> > you can revert them to that space on the website.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Sharon
> 
> @Sharon,
> 
> To clarify, we agreed to delete those pages from the website and if we
> choose to bring these pages back on the website, we will retrieve them from
> git history?

Hi Chris:

Yes that works for Wayne and I!

Thanks,
Sharon
Comment 9 Gael Blondelle CLA 2019-09-30 15:39:42 EDT
(In reply to Sharon Corbett from comment #5)
> @Chris:
> 
> As per our hangout today; let's deal with this in two stages.
> 
> Let's remove Capella and OS.bea from the explore page and archive them. 
> When we determine if we want to have Non Active WG's visible on the website,
> you can revert them to that space on the website.
> 
> Thanks,
> Sharon

OK to remove Capella.
Re OS.Bea, I have to reach out to them to tell them we plan to archive their WG. Can it wait for few days?

Sorry about that, it fell through the cracks. I'll do that ASAP.
Comment 10 Sharon Corbett CLA 2019-09-30 16:57:59 EDT
(In reply to Gael Blondelle from comment #9)
> (In reply to Sharon Corbett from comment #5)
> > @Chris:
> > 
> > As per our hangout today; let's deal with this in two stages.
> > 
> > Let's remove Capella and OS.bea from the explore page and archive them. 
> > When we determine if we want to have Non Active WG's visible on the website,
> > you can revert them to that space on the website.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Sharon
> 
> OK to remove Capella.
> Re OS.Bea, I have to reach out to them to tell them we plan to archive their
> WG. Can it wait for few days?
> 
> Sorry about that, it fell through the cracks. I'll do that ASAP.


@Gael:  Please let us know when the communication has taken place.
Comment 11 Wayne Beaton CLA 2019-09-30 17:14:31 EDT
> Yes that works for Wayne and I!

+1
Comment 12 Sharon Corbett CLA 2019-10-29 10:59:43 EDT
Chris:  Please remove Capella as soon as you can.

OS.bea we will have an updated in two weeks and will advise at that time.

Thanks,
Sharon
Comment 13 Sharon Corbett CLA 2019-11-12 13:07:06 EST
Chris:

As soon as possible;

- Please delist Capella's card.  
- Remove OSBP's Participation Agreement Link form its card.

December 1, 2019 (Sharon to send Reminder):

- Please delist OSBP's card.
- At that time, please keep its Charter URL alive; however, the Charter should contain a Wordmark of Archived.


Thanks,
Sharon
Comment 15 Christopher Guindon CLA 2019-11-12 13:52:51 EST
(In reply to Sharon Corbett from comment #13)
> Chris:
> 
> As soon as possible;
> 
> - Please delist Capella's card.  
> - Remove OSBP's Participation Agreement Link form its card.
> 
Done!
Comment 16 Sharon Corbett CLA 2019-11-12 13:58:28 EST
(In reply to Christopher Guindon from comment #15)
> (In reply to Sharon Corbett from comment #13)
> > Chris:
> > 
> > As soon as possible;
> > 
> > - Please delist Capella's card.  
> > - Remove OSBP's Participation Agreement Link form its card.
> > 
> Done!

Merci,
Sharon
Comment 17 Sharon Corbett CLA 2019-12-02 13:29:03 EST
We agreed to keep delist OSBP's card from the Explore Working Group as of yesterday.

Here is our reminder:

- Please delist OSBP's card.
- At that time, please keep its Charter URL alive; however, the Charter should contain a Wordmark of Archived.

Thanks,
Sharon
Comment 18 Christopher Guindon CLA 2019-12-02 14:49:11 EST
(In reply to Sharon Corbett from comment #17)
> We agreed to keep delist OSBP's card from the Explore Working Group as of
> yesterday.
> 
> Here is our reminder:
> 
> - Please delist OSBP's card.
> - At that time, please keep its Charter URL alive; however, the Charter
> should contain a Wordmark of Archived.
> 
> Thanks,
> Sharon

I created a Gerrit changes for this:

https://staging.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/explore.php
https://staging.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/osbea_wg_charter.php

The credentials for the staging server is:
username: testuser
password: plaintext

Regarding the charter, our usual termination text is:
Eclipse OS.bea Working Group Charter has been terminated.

Is this correct or should say that it was archived?

Please advise.
Comment 19 Sharon Corbett CLA 2019-12-02 16:09:48 EST
Yes, please change it to Archived and for the future as well.

Its less negative and in fact it's the act of termination that causes the Charter and other assets to be archived.

Hope this makes sense?

Thanks,
Sharon
Comment 20 Christopher Guindon CLA 2019-12-03 13:36:33 EST
(In reply to Sharon Corbett from comment #19)
> Yes, please change it to Archived and for the future as well.
> 
> Its less negative and in fact it's the act of termination that causes the
> Charter and other assets to be archived.
> 
> Hope this makes sense?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sharon

+1 I made the update and I will push my changes live in a few minutes!
Comment 21 Christopher Guindon CLA 2019-12-03 15:12:47 EST
(In reply to Christopher Guindon from comment #20)
> (In reply to Sharon Corbett from comment #19)
> > Yes, please change it to Archived and for the future as well.
> > 
> > Its less negative and in fact it's the act of termination that causes the
> > Charter and other assets to be archived.
> > 
> > Hope this makes sense?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Sharon
> 
> +1 I made the update and I will push my changes live in a few minutes!

Live!

https://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/explore.php
https://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/osbea_wg_charter.php