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| Summary: | China - eclipse page (and download) is suspended for several minutes over blocking use of google.com service | ||
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| Product: | Community | Reporter: | Paul Verest <paul.verest> |
| Component: | Website | Assignee: | Christopher Guindon <chris.guindon> |
| Status: | CLOSED MOVED | QA Contact: | |
| Severity: | normal | ||
| Priority: | P3 | CC: | chris.guindon, denis.roy, ian.skerrett |
| Version: | unspecified | ||
| Target Milestone: | --- | ||
| Hardware: | PC | ||
| OS: | Windows NT | ||
| Whiteboard: | stalebug | ||
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Description
Paul Verest
Perhaps we can disable Google Analytics if REMOTE_ADDR is within China? Eric/Chris, thoughts? (In reply to Denis Roy from comment #1) > Perhaps we can disable Google Analytics if REMOTE_ADDR is within China? > Eric/Chris, thoughts? +1 I think the issue is with the google font since it's in <head> vs the google search and google analytics is in <body>. Let's start with that and if it does not work, we should then look at removing google analytics and the google search. The more I think about it, if google is not available in china, we should remove the search/fonts and google analytics. *** Bug 437568 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** I am a bit confused. Paul, I took a look at our google analytic account and we got more than 500 000 visits from China. How is this possible if google is blocked in China? (In reply to Christopher Guindon from comment #5) > I am a bit confused. > > Paul, > I took a look at our google analytic account and we got more than 500 000 > visits from China. > > How is this possible if google is blocked in China? I agree this seems odd. We also have lots of people successfully downloading from China IP addresses. It is our #1 country for downloads. Paul, can you confirm which of the following url are blocked in China? 1: https://fonts.googleapis.com/ 2: https://googlesyndication.com/ 3: https://cse.google.com/ 4: https://ssl.google-analytics.com/ 5: https://www.google.com 6: https://www.google-analytics.com/ (In reply to Christopher Guindon from comment #7) > Paul, > > can you confirm which of the following url are blocked in China? > > 1: https://fonts.googleapis.com/ > 2: https://googlesyndication.com/ > 3: https://cse.google.com/ > 4: https://ssl.google-analytics.com/ > 5: https://www.google.com > 6: https://www.google-analytics.com/ Paul? Hi Christopher Yes, all Google services are not available in China (those you listed, android.com). Worse they are not clocked, but put into endless waiting, that only ends because of specific browser timeouts. Even those who uses PVN will not get them fast, as there are no Google servers in China, so delays may be hundreds ms. I just wonder how people don't care that google is close to track every page load with all these css, font, analitics etc services. But bottom line is never assume that any external server is always available. There are always very strict companies that may block/black list some servers. There may be (once in a time/ a region / a service) downtime. > I am a bit confused. > Paul, > I took a look at our google analytic account and we got more than 500 000 visits from China Well, the Big Firewall is not that even. In some places it may even work (note that Hong Kong is out of the Big Firewall). And sometime it is loosy admins, who do not update DNS servers. I remember I could not open eclipse.org at all once I was in Wuhan few years ago. Not to mention some small site you can't remember you came by chance. Again, any external server may be down. It is Internet. Though now dominated by big companies. > I agree this seems odd. We also have lots of people successfully downloading from China IP addresses. It is our #1 country for downloads. Well, Google was not blocked in a day. If it happened, there would be a lot of angry users. What happened is service was gradually becoming less stable and reliable. That annoys. Most people just start looking around, trying other services. "If I can't download right now one software, I can check another meanwhile." I wonder do you count HongKong as China? Of course there should rapidly growing download number from China. It is just that going through pages became less joy. This bug hasn't had any activity in quite some time. Maybe the problem got resolved, was a duplicate of something else, or became less pressing for some reason - or maybe it's still relevant but just hasn't been looked at yet. If you have further information on the current state of the bug, please add it. The information can be, for example, that the problem still occurs, that you still want the feature, that more information is needed, or that the bug is (for whatever reason) no longer relevant. -- The automated Eclipse Genie. Hi Paul, could you update us on the current status on our website from China? For last few months I'd say that eclipse.org is slow. Just check today with Firefox and Chrome, looking at browser Developer Tool network report: https://www.eclipse.org/ - just getting root index.html 20sec, other file https://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ - getting index.html 20sec or 60sec Clicking Download - again again waiting 20 sec On shown mirror, click - starts download in few seconds. Actual download >3MB/s For comparison on https://spring.io/tools click on Download start download in few seconds, with speed >1MB/s In summary getting fresh eclipse from https://www.eclipse.org is 3 clicks, waiting at least 1 minute in total A bit unexpected result is that today google scripts showed as not slowing down page load, and shown response within 1-2 seconds. With cache disabled. If google server at least partly became available, that would be big news. Nevertheless, I usually have NoScript browser plugins installed, and googletagmanager, facebook, other ads serving server just blocked. That speeds-up usual browsing. I have https://no-google-in-china.github.io/ site to explain some technical aspects, when touching the situation. Please "Edit/extend this page" with your comments (link below) This bug hasn't had any activity in quite some time. Maybe the problem got resolved, was a duplicate of something else, or became less pressing for some reason - or maybe it's still relevant but just hasn't been looked at yet. If you have further information on the current state of the bug, please add it. The information can be, for example, that the problem still occurs, that you still want the feature, that more information is needed, or that the bug is (for whatever reason) no longer relevant. -- The automated Eclipse Genie. This issue has been migrated to https://gitlab.eclipse.org/eclipsefdn/helpdesk/-/issues/279. |